All you Americans who’ve been following the rants of Pat Condell on youtube with glee. If any of you are still nursing the cosy illusion that he’s not a raging xenophobe, it’s time to wake up and open your goddamn eyes.
In case you haven’t heard, criticism of Islam in Europe is most loudly voiced by right-wing figures who are terrified of brown people. There’s Geert Wilders who wants to break the kneecaps of football hooligans (though only if they’re Moors – Oops, I mean Moroccans). There’s also a full-blown ban on minarets in Switzerland, despite the fact that the country only had two mosques with minarets, neither of which had the privilege of calling Muslims to prayer (though I’m sure the Church bells across Switzerland are freely allowed to ring). Meanwhile the well-known French misogynist pig Nicolas Sarkozy has decided to take cues from Belgium and certain areas of Germany and ban the burkha in France. While he is working his way through trophy wives and forcing his justice minister to cut her maternity leave short, apparently when it comes the burkha he’s suddenly hugely interested in female equality (as if a ban on the burkha would aid such as cause).
In Pat Condell’s recent video he’s decided that it isn’t enough for this hysteria over Islam to be spread across the continent and he wants to export it to the United States as well. The recent plans to build a large mosque in New York had already caused a bit of a stir, but since very few people are accusing the New York Muslims of trying to destroy the American way of life, he thinks they’re being too complacent.
The idea that a mosque might be built by a group of Muslims interested in showing good faith between people of all faiths in New York is incomprehensible to poor old Pat. The fact that many of the thousands to lose their lives on 9/11 were actually New York Muslims themselves does not seem to have entered his racist little head. He also apparently thinks that Muslims are dictating what is broadcast on Fox News. Is he losing his mind?
Y’know I’m not a right-wing nutter myself, but I can actually see why someone might be concerned about the creation of a mosque near Ground Zero. However, I also have the good sense to realise that the politicians in New York have thought about that too. The organisation behind this scheme is called the Cordoba Initiative and the building is to be called Cordoba House. And this is because Cordoba is the city in southern Spain where Muslims built their first great mosque when Spain was part of their empire. The mosque was so beautiful that, even when the Christians drove them out, they decided to convert the mosque into a Church rather than destroy it. Perhaps this organisation has an overly romanticised view of this period of history (though it’s hard not to share such a view if you are ever lucky enough to visit the Alhambra in Granada), but their principle is undoubtedly laudable. They wish to set up a centre for New York Muslims specifically acknowledging the horror of 9/11 and their opposition to that horror. Right-wingers like Pat Condell will often ask why they don’t see any moderate Muslims opposing Islamist extremism. Well Pat, you clearly aren’t paying attention!
Pat Condell’s rantings are thoroughly unenlightened and inconsistent. How obvious does that have to be? Pat, a whole-hearted opponent of religion, claims that Islam does not deserve that mantle. Is that a compliment? Unsurprisingly he sees Islam as less of a threat than fascism since, as a borderline BNP-supporter he fits right in with fascists. That’s why the idea of politicians encouraging tolerance and diversity rubs him the wrong way. Pat is thoroughly opposed to tolerance, rejects diversity, recoils in horror at the thought of “multiculturalism” and has little concern for the rights of Muslim women. And if he denies this, he’s a liar.
Here in London we’ve been fortunate enough to keep out Islamophobic nonsense for the most part. Public opinion recently sided against the building of a extra-large mosque to coincide with the Olympic games and cater for the increased number of Muslims in the country during that event. This actually made good sense since there are already a fair number of mosques in London to cater for the current population and so the mega-mosque would have had little use after the Olympics were over (though what we are going to do with the Olympic stadium after the Olympics are over is an issue which has yet to be dealt with). Cordoba House in New York is very different because it is intended to cope with specifically New York Muslims. It is ensuring that Muslims in New York feel part of a community and that the aftermath of 9/11 doesn’t leave them feeling isolated from their society and disillusioned with the American dream.
The last thing Americans need is hate-filled Islamophobic rants from Pat Condell. I’d like to tell Pat Condell and the bloggers who support him that enough is enough. And that this is one insult too far. And that his obnoxious fear mongering and slander against good and decent Muslims are getting boring.
Peace off yourself…
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(X-Posted to Atheism)
Transcript for the Pat Condell video I'm responding to is under the cut:
All you Americans who’ve been following the Islamisation of Europe from afar with horrified incredulity. If any of you are still nursing the cosy illusion that it could never happen in your country, it’s time to wake up and rub those sleepy eyes because the moment of truth has arrived.
In case you haven’t heard, there’s a plan afoot to build a 13 storey Islamic centre and mosque a few yards from Ground Zero in New York. A plan that’s been enthusiastically welcomed by politicians and civic leaders eager to show how tolerant they are at other people’s expense.
Is it possible to be astonished but not surprised? Apparently it’s not enough that nearly 3000 innocent people had to lose their lives in a hideous act of religious mass murder, but now their memory has to be insulted as well and the religion that murdered them allowed to build a towering triumphalist mosque on the ground where they died. Is America losing its mind?
It says a lot about the people behind this scheme that they had the bad taste to build a mosque in such a place, but to describe it as a tribute to the victims is beyond bad taste and shows a profound contempt for those who died. It would be hard to imagine a more provocative gesture short of standing on their graves and burning the American flag. Yet how typical of Islam with its own hair-trigger sensitivity to the slightest imagined insult to do something so arrogant and so insensitive.
It’s going to cost a hundred million dollars to build this thing, but nobody’s prepared to say where the money’s coming from. We do know that the Saudis fund a lot of mosque-building in the west when they’re not busy trying to stamp out free speech at the United Nations or telling Fox News what to broadcast. So I guess we’ll all be paying for it every time we start the car.
Y’know it seems to me a much more appropriate place for a mosque would be the United Nations building itself because that organisation has become so Islamo-friendly in recent years that frankly I’m surprised it doesn’t already have a minaret.
Y’know I’m not even American, but it makes me sick to my stomach to think that Islam is gonna to be allowed anywhere near ground zero; because 9/11 could never have happened if not for Islam and its teachings and its doctrine of Jihad and its false promise of an impossible afterlife without which none of those gullible lunatics would have been persuaded to carry out such an insane act. And also because it wasn’t just an attack on America, but on all of us in the civilised world, as were the bombings in London, in Madrid, in Bali, the shootings in Mumbai and everywhere else the religion of peace decides it doesn’t like the way people do things.
Any religion that endorses violence is incapable of delivering spiritual enlightenment. How obvious does that have to be? And it has no right even to call itself a religion. Without the shield of religion to hide behind Islam would be banned in the civilised world as a political ideology of hate and we have no obligation to make allowances for it, any more than we do for Nazism. It’s a bigger threat to our freedom than Nazism ever was. Yes, both are totalitarian and both divide the world unnecessarily into “us” and “them”, the “pure” and the “impure” and both make no secret of their desire to exterminate the Jews. But we were all more or less on the same side against the Nazis, whereas the Islamonazis have got plenty of friends among people in the west who ought to know better. American politicians now regularly make the kind of dhimmi noises about “diversity” as an excuse for Islamisation. The same kind of thing that we’ve become so depressingly familiar with in Europe. It’s true that diversity’s been good for America. It’s been the making of that country, but American diversity has always been grounded in respect for the values, the individual liberties that make America what it is. Islam rejects those values and that’s the difference and it’s a very important difference. Islam despises what America is, it rejects everything America stands for, including freedom and diversity. And any Muslim who denies that is a liar.
The organisation behind this scheme is called the Cordoba Initiative and the building is to be called Cordoba House. And this is because Cordoba is the city in southern Spain where Muslims built their first great mosque at the start of and as a symbol of their conquest of Spain. The Ground Zero mosque is intended to serve the same purpose in America Building mosques on conquered sacred ground is standard practice. It’s what Islam has always done to assert its supremacy and that is what’s happening here.
And of course they know how insulting it is, how offensive it is. Are you kidding? Why do you think they chose a site so close to Ground Zero, or did you think that was just an accident? And they also know that once it’s built it will be there forever, as a permanent affront to all Americans, gloating in triumph and a major beachhead in the ongoing stealth Jihad. That how the Muslim world will see it and that’s how they’ll be encouraged to see it. And to be fair to them, that’s exactly what it will be. Confirming what they’ve always suspected, that America is a soft country, a decadent country, crippled by political correctness, confused and guilt-ridden with no backbone and no pride.
They plan to open it next year on September 11th, the tenth anniversary of the atrocity. Is that tasteless enough for you? I’m surprised they haven’t organised a 757 fly-past. But y’know, it doesn’t have to be this way. Here in London we had a similar situation just recently where they wanted to build a gigantic mosque to overshadow the Olympic games. Public opinion put a stop to that and public opinion can put a stop to this disgraceful plan as well. And it can tell this group and the politicians who support them that enough is enough. And that this is one insult too far. And that America is a big country and there’s plenty of room for them to build their offensive mosque if they have to somewhere else. Somewhere perhaps more appropriate to the spirit of their religion. Like the Arizona desert or Death Valley
Peace and God bless the kuffar.
In case you haven’t heard, criticism of Islam in Europe is most loudly voiced by right-wing figures who are terrified of brown people. There’s Geert Wilders who wants to break the kneecaps of football hooligans (though only if they’re Moors – Oops, I mean Moroccans). There’s also a full-blown ban on minarets in Switzerland, despite the fact that the country only had two mosques with minarets, neither of which had the privilege of calling Muslims to prayer (though I’m sure the Church bells across Switzerland are freely allowed to ring). Meanwhile the well-known French misogynist pig Nicolas Sarkozy has decided to take cues from Belgium and certain areas of Germany and ban the burkha in France. While he is working his way through trophy wives and forcing his justice minister to cut her maternity leave short, apparently when it comes the burkha he’s suddenly hugely interested in female equality (as if a ban on the burkha would aid such as cause).
In Pat Condell’s recent video he’s decided that it isn’t enough for this hysteria over Islam to be spread across the continent and he wants to export it to the United States as well. The recent plans to build a large mosque in New York had already caused a bit of a stir, but since very few people are accusing the New York Muslims of trying to destroy the American way of life, he thinks they’re being too complacent.
The idea that a mosque might be built by a group of Muslims interested in showing good faith between people of all faiths in New York is incomprehensible to poor old Pat. The fact that many of the thousands to lose their lives on 9/11 were actually New York Muslims themselves does not seem to have entered his racist little head. He also apparently thinks that Muslims are dictating what is broadcast on Fox News. Is he losing his mind?
Y’know I’m not a right-wing nutter myself, but I can actually see why someone might be concerned about the creation of a mosque near Ground Zero. However, I also have the good sense to realise that the politicians in New York have thought about that too. The organisation behind this scheme is called the Cordoba Initiative and the building is to be called Cordoba House. And this is because Cordoba is the city in southern Spain where Muslims built their first great mosque when Spain was part of their empire. The mosque was so beautiful that, even when the Christians drove them out, they decided to convert the mosque into a Church rather than destroy it. Perhaps this organisation has an overly romanticised view of this period of history (though it’s hard not to share such a view if you are ever lucky enough to visit the Alhambra in Granada), but their principle is undoubtedly laudable. They wish to set up a centre for New York Muslims specifically acknowledging the horror of 9/11 and their opposition to that horror. Right-wingers like Pat Condell will often ask why they don’t see any moderate Muslims opposing Islamist extremism. Well Pat, you clearly aren’t paying attention!
Pat Condell’s rantings are thoroughly unenlightened and inconsistent. How obvious does that have to be? Pat, a whole-hearted opponent of religion, claims that Islam does not deserve that mantle. Is that a compliment? Unsurprisingly he sees Islam as less of a threat than fascism since, as a borderline BNP-supporter he fits right in with fascists. That’s why the idea of politicians encouraging tolerance and diversity rubs him the wrong way. Pat is thoroughly opposed to tolerance, rejects diversity, recoils in horror at the thought of “multiculturalism” and has little concern for the rights of Muslim women. And if he denies this, he’s a liar.
Here in London we’ve been fortunate enough to keep out Islamophobic nonsense for the most part. Public opinion recently sided against the building of a extra-large mosque to coincide with the Olympic games and cater for the increased number of Muslims in the country during that event. This actually made good sense since there are already a fair number of mosques in London to cater for the current population and so the mega-mosque would have had little use after the Olympics were over (though what we are going to do with the Olympic stadium after the Olympics are over is an issue which has yet to be dealt with). Cordoba House in New York is very different because it is intended to cope with specifically New York Muslims. It is ensuring that Muslims in New York feel part of a community and that the aftermath of 9/11 doesn’t leave them feeling isolated from their society and disillusioned with the American dream.
The last thing Americans need is hate-filled Islamophobic rants from Pat Condell. I’d like to tell Pat Condell and the bloggers who support him that enough is enough. And that this is one insult too far. And that his obnoxious fear mongering and slander against good and decent Muslims are getting boring.
Peace off yourself…
(X-Posted to Atheism)
Transcript for the Pat Condell video I'm responding to is under the cut:
All you Americans who’ve been following the Islamisation of Europe from afar with horrified incredulity. If any of you are still nursing the cosy illusion that it could never happen in your country, it’s time to wake up and rub those sleepy eyes because the moment of truth has arrived.
In case you haven’t heard, there’s a plan afoot to build a 13 storey Islamic centre and mosque a few yards from Ground Zero in New York. A plan that’s been enthusiastically welcomed by politicians and civic leaders eager to show how tolerant they are at other people’s expense.
Is it possible to be astonished but not surprised? Apparently it’s not enough that nearly 3000 innocent people had to lose their lives in a hideous act of religious mass murder, but now their memory has to be insulted as well and the religion that murdered them allowed to build a towering triumphalist mosque on the ground where they died. Is America losing its mind?
It says a lot about the people behind this scheme that they had the bad taste to build a mosque in such a place, but to describe it as a tribute to the victims is beyond bad taste and shows a profound contempt for those who died. It would be hard to imagine a more provocative gesture short of standing on their graves and burning the American flag. Yet how typical of Islam with its own hair-trigger sensitivity to the slightest imagined insult to do something so arrogant and so insensitive.
It’s going to cost a hundred million dollars to build this thing, but nobody’s prepared to say where the money’s coming from. We do know that the Saudis fund a lot of mosque-building in the west when they’re not busy trying to stamp out free speech at the United Nations or telling Fox News what to broadcast. So I guess we’ll all be paying for it every time we start the car.
Y’know it seems to me a much more appropriate place for a mosque would be the United Nations building itself because that organisation has become so Islamo-friendly in recent years that frankly I’m surprised it doesn’t already have a minaret.
Y’know I’m not even American, but it makes me sick to my stomach to think that Islam is gonna to be allowed anywhere near ground zero; because 9/11 could never have happened if not for Islam and its teachings and its doctrine of Jihad and its false promise of an impossible afterlife without which none of those gullible lunatics would have been persuaded to carry out such an insane act. And also because it wasn’t just an attack on America, but on all of us in the civilised world, as were the bombings in London, in Madrid, in Bali, the shootings in Mumbai and everywhere else the religion of peace decides it doesn’t like the way people do things.
Any religion that endorses violence is incapable of delivering spiritual enlightenment. How obvious does that have to be? And it has no right even to call itself a religion. Without the shield of religion to hide behind Islam would be banned in the civilised world as a political ideology of hate and we have no obligation to make allowances for it, any more than we do for Nazism. It’s a bigger threat to our freedom than Nazism ever was. Yes, both are totalitarian and both divide the world unnecessarily into “us” and “them”, the “pure” and the “impure” and both make no secret of their desire to exterminate the Jews. But we were all more or less on the same side against the Nazis, whereas the Islamonazis have got plenty of friends among people in the west who ought to know better. American politicians now regularly make the kind of dhimmi noises about “diversity” as an excuse for Islamisation. The same kind of thing that we’ve become so depressingly familiar with in Europe. It’s true that diversity’s been good for America. It’s been the making of that country, but American diversity has always been grounded in respect for the values, the individual liberties that make America what it is. Islam rejects those values and that’s the difference and it’s a very important difference. Islam despises what America is, it rejects everything America stands for, including freedom and diversity. And any Muslim who denies that is a liar.
The organisation behind this scheme is called the Cordoba Initiative and the building is to be called Cordoba House. And this is because Cordoba is the city in southern Spain where Muslims built their first great mosque at the start of and as a symbol of their conquest of Spain. The Ground Zero mosque is intended to serve the same purpose in America Building mosques on conquered sacred ground is standard practice. It’s what Islam has always done to assert its supremacy and that is what’s happening here.
And of course they know how insulting it is, how offensive it is. Are you kidding? Why do you think they chose a site so close to Ground Zero, or did you think that was just an accident? And they also know that once it’s built it will be there forever, as a permanent affront to all Americans, gloating in triumph and a major beachhead in the ongoing stealth Jihad. That how the Muslim world will see it and that’s how they’ll be encouraged to see it. And to be fair to them, that’s exactly what it will be. Confirming what they’ve always suspected, that America is a soft country, a decadent country, crippled by political correctness, confused and guilt-ridden with no backbone and no pride.
They plan to open it next year on September 11th, the tenth anniversary of the atrocity. Is that tasteless enough for you? I’m surprised they haven’t organised a 757 fly-past. But y’know, it doesn’t have to be this way. Here in London we had a similar situation just recently where they wanted to build a gigantic mosque to overshadow the Olympic games. Public opinion put a stop to that and public opinion can put a stop to this disgraceful plan as well. And it can tell this group and the politicians who support them that enough is enough. And that this is one insult too far. And that America is a big country and there’s plenty of room for them to build their offensive mosque if they have to somewhere else. Somewhere perhaps more appropriate to the spirit of their religion. Like the Arizona desert or Death Valley
Peace and God bless the kuffar.